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Poster: suasponte173 Date: Feb 26, 2009 12:47pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Grateful Dead Era(s)????

I see a lot of weird ideas, such as 72 was Dead Dead, and 79 was stagnant? Yeah, they introduced a new keyboardist and his dynamic sound range, but somehow managed to stagnate?
64-65? How about the who cares era? Or the, for the completists only era?
Death & Mercy, you really believe that 90 was worse than 89? Or did you just get bored?
Since I have seen criticism without input gets people up at arms here:
65-67 surfer CA dead
68-70 lysergic dead
72-74 the pinnacle
75 experiment dead
76-78 Everyone but Keith is getting better, even Donna
79-81 the first renaissance
82-84 cocaine tempo dead
85-86 effects start taking effect
87 let's relearn how to play the guitar
88 now let's add some more effects
89-91 The second renaissance
92 Bruce, please don't go
93 The last blip
94-95 the bitter drive off the cliff

suasponte

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Poster: SkyDawg Date: Feb 26, 2009 1:57pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Grateful Dead Era(s)????

I say stagnation began in 1979 because after the birth of "The Rhythm Devils" concept in 1978 or so, nothing really "new" happens much after 1978. Sure, they released the lack-luster "Go To Heaven" after Brent joined, (and In The Dark and Built Too Fast, er Built To Last too,) but the material was stale and stagnant and the band never seemed to grow. By 1978 the "first set, second set" division of song cycles was firmly intact, in effect building a prison for themselves musically. It made for some great shows, but snuffed out a lot of the spontaneity by setting such a rigid musical blueprint for themselves. Sure, there were some fine shows played post-78, but I stand by my opinion on this. Everyone here has a different opinion I'm sure. That's why we share ideas, to get a different perspective.

As far as 64-65 being "who cares" I thought we were discussing the band and certain eras. This is the pre-electric jug band era, the seed of the whole long strange trip. There are recordings from these years. No more of a "weird idea" than referring to 65-67 as "surfer CA dead". Funny, I can't recall the Dead doing any "surf music". Jerry don't surf.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Feb 26, 2009 9:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Grateful Dead Era(s)????

I agree with you SD, but just to note, I heard them do half of "little surfer girl" when they played with some incarnation of the BBoys in the 70s some where...at least I am convinced I did...

Hmmm, anyone know? It might have just been a few of the guys as they warmed up after coming on after the BBoys?

Maybe I imagined it...

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Poster: SkyDawg Date: Feb 27, 2009 1:02am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Grateful Dead Era(s)????

Hey, I actually like the Beach Boys, and between my brother and me we had every album they ever did when I was growing up in the sixties and if you've never heard the set the Dead with them at Fillmore East on 4/27/71 I highly recommend it, especially Searchin' and Riot In Cell Block #9. I would love to see a photo of Pigpen fronting the Beach Boys on "Searchin'"!
That said, I said it before and I'll say it again: Jerry don't surf!

Check out the Beach Boys & The Grateful Dead at Fillmore East here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLHc08wHyAA

A somewhat "Dead related fact" concerning the Beach Boys is in order here... Brian Wilson in an interview revealed that he wrote "California Girls" on Purple Owsley acid during his first acid trip in 1965.

This post was modified by SkyDawg on 2009-02-27 09:02:02

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Poster: Styrofoam Cueball Date: Feb 27, 2009 8:55pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Grateful Dead Era(s)????

The instrumental intro to "California Girls" is so beautiful, I'm not surprised to hear that factoid...

UPDATE: I'm listening to 2/28/69 and right before "King Bee" there is a Tuning/Wipe Out bit... then Jerry says: "Hey, wait a minute..I came to see some PSYCHEDELIC music."



This post was modified by Styrofoam Cueball on 2009-02-28 04:55:36

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Poster: SkyDawg Date: Feb 27, 2009 10:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Grateful Dead Era(s)????

If you ever have the chance to see the DVD relesase of Brian Wilson's "SMILE!" there is an interview with Brian and friends of his from that time period. This is where I heard Brian discussing the effects LSD had on him and where it is revealed that on his first acid trip (Purple Owsley's)he set out writing the words & music to "California Girls" He claimed that the music, the intro you mentioned, appeared to him as musical notes dancing about like in Walt Disney's "Fantasia". He hallucinated the music and set it down on paper later.

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Poster: Styrofoam Cueball Date: Feb 27, 2009 10:44pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Grateful Dead Era(s)????

I always wish that part of the song went on longer. And if BW was dosed for "California Girls," the conditions under which he and V.D. Parks wrote the SMILE material must have been truly 'altered'...

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Poster: SkyDawg Date: Feb 28, 2009 1:46am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Grateful Dead Era(s)????

They were altered enough for BW to suffer a major freakout he never fully recovered from. SMILE! would be left unfinished until 37 years later.

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Feb 26, 2009 2:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Grateful Dead Era(s)????

Actually Dawg, the dead briefly visited surf music, but thankfully it was short lived...

http://www.archive.org/details/gd69-09-07.sbd.dfinney.5808.sbeok.shnf

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Feb 26, 2009 1:08pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Grateful Dead Era(s)????

1965-66: Jug/Garage band with promise

1967-1969: Pioneers of 'acid rock'...energetic, inventive, psychedelic splendor but rough around the edges.

1970-71: New horizons, a move away from psychedelia and back to folk and country roots Garcia came from...song-writing skills emerge in full flower with "Workingman's" and "American Beauty"...

1972: A stand alone year that must be recognized as one of the band's greatest. A band capable now of mastering everything from blues to rock to country. Jams grow in length and sophistication. Vocals strong throughout. Songwriting also flourishes.

1973-1974: Jazzy dead, for good and ill. Some wonderful explorations ("Eyes", "Let it Grow", "China>Rider") along with some self-indulgent meanderings (too-long "Dark Stars" and "Other Ones" that break down into cacaphonous noise-making).

1975: A break needed. The few shows played show the great promise to come.

1976: Slow, languorous, jazzy, mellow, inventive re-birth. band feeling its way along to get its groove back. Willing to mix it up set-list-wise.

1977: The pinnacle. A fluid, confident, jamming, tight, sweet-sounding rock band that can do it all, and does. Band members are "just exactly perfect" having been at it for about ten years. They're not too old, not too young. Voices sound wonderful (caveat: Donna, but you could say the same about any year since she came on the scene). Band listens to each other more than ever before and the results are stunning. Old songs given extra jamming length (1/2 step, jack straw, bertha, and more)...new songs from Terrapin are introduced. Band produces its greatest single consistently excellent month of shows in May. 5/8/77 still mentioned--and debated--as possibly the greatest show ever. Give me a Dead Time Machine and I'll take that year over any other.

1978-1979 (pre-Brent): Same as '77 but with a harder edge of rock and roll, and also with some clunkers of sloppiness. Signs of wear and tear showing here and there amid some great performances.

1979 (Brent)- 1983: The rest of the band's vocals start to decline, but offset by the ecellent harmonic upgrade of Brent. He also brings a new, more 'accessible" sound on keys. Sloppiness here and there but mostly excellent shows marked by a renewed sense of purpose to continue the journey.

1984-1988: A band in decline, with an aging and ailing leader. Sloppy more often than not. Forgotten lyrics, choppy jams, lack of coherence. And yes, some grand gems pulled out on certain nights. (See 10/12/84. Greek Theater '84, and the other usual suspects).

1989-90: Last of the greatness. Vocals are gone but new attention to musicianship emerges, exemplified by guest appearnces of Branford in '90.

1991-95: If you saw a good show in these years you were lucky. your best shot was '91. After that, just a sad story.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Feb 26, 2009 3:40pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Grateful Dead Era(s)????

Anyone that doesn't see a huge change with AmBeauty/Work, in 70, just isn't listening.

Seriously.

Sorry to be harsh, but it's the truth. There were more changes between 65-71 than in any of the remainder.

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Poster: Styrofoam Cueball Date: Feb 26, 2009 3:45pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Grateful Dead Era(s)????

'65-66: Inception
'67: Acceleration
'68: Exploration
'69: Saturation
'70: Acclimation
'71: Deceleration
'72: Precision
'73: Expansion
'74: Perfection
'75: Hibernation
'76: Marination
'77: Satiation
'78 & beyond: De-gravitation (slowly but surely)

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Poster: cosmic charlie dupree Date: Feb 26, 2009 4:30pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Grateful Dead Era(s)????

Very nice take! Especially Marination..... 76 indeed marinates, seeps, drips, slow cooks, stews.

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Poster: Styrofoam Cueball Date: Feb 26, 2009 7:10pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Grateful Dead Era(s)????

...and that's why we like it! :)

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Feb 26, 2009 3:44pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Grateful Dead Era(s)????

Hey, Tell!

Didn't I say just that? Maybe you weren't responding directly to my post..."new horizons" was my point, and I agree about '70 as a huge turning point

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Poster: William Tell Date: Feb 26, 2009 4:27pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Grateful Dead Era(s)????

Sorry! Meant the other guy! I thought you were right on...